wado1942 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hello. I'm very new to electronics and have myself in an odd situation.I'm trying to design a simple audio amplifier to drive a VU meter based on the 4739 dual opamp because I have a bunch of them.I've attached a crude scheme below.What's happening is I get an audio signal, but it's always unity gain regardless of the pot position. I know the amplifier is working because my first version ran on a 9V battery and the output was weak and distorted. When I switched to a +-12V power supply, the signal got stronger and clearer. If I touch anything in the feedback loop, I hear the interference. I tried reading about op amp design but from everything I've read, I should be getting 0-10x gain.Like I said, I'm pretty clueless so any help will be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 For an opamp to have gain, the negative feedback must be a portion of its output.A voltage divider makes the portion of the output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero999 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Correction: the inverting amplifier wil have an adjustable gain between 0 and 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Correction: the inverting amplifier wil have an adjustable gain between 0 and 10.Of course. The pot could be adjusted to be a dead short.I corrected the schematic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero999 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 In the modified circuit, the gain can be varied between 1 and 11 not 10.You're not haveing a good day are you audioguru? ;DIncidentally, there would be nothing wrong with being able to set the gain below 1 on an inverting amplifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wado1942 Posted July 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Thanks for the quick replies everybody.I actually tried running into the inverting input and got nothing out of it. It didn't make sense to have a 1K resistor feeding into the non-inverting input but since I didn't get a signal, I tried it the way I showed in the scheme. Perhaps my ground on the non-inverting input was poor. I'll give it another shot.Thanks again, I was racking my brain yesterday over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 The non-inverting input on the non-inverting amplifier circuit must have its input at 0VDC or the opamp will not work properly. The input can have a 100k resistor to 0V (ground) and a 0.1uF input coupling capacitor.I have only 10 fingers so I can't count to a gain of 11. :-[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wado1942 Posted July 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Well the inverting amp configuration works like a charm so I'm going with that. My next challenge is adding a -10dB switch. Any suggestions? I was thinking a resistor to shunt part of the input signal to ground but I wouldn't know how to calculate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 The input impedance of your inverting amplifier circuit is only 1k ohms. Many music sources cannot drive an impedance so low and need a minimum of 10k ohms for good bass response and low distortion. Then the pot should be 100k and the input resistor should be 10k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wado1942 Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 This will be driven from a headphone amp which is designed for a 600 Ohm load.So to switch this circuit to a .1X-1X gain, I need to put in a switchable L-pad in front of the 1K resistor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 You don't use an L-pad. Simply increase the value of the 1k input resistor to 100k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wado1942 Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 That was my first idea but I thought the impedance change would alter the sound quality. I guess it would be minimal since there's no caps before the opamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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